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[here_inmyhead]

From Bulbapedia:

"The when the player battles the Unova Elite Four for the first and second time, almost all of Grimsley's Pokémon are females. This may hint out Grimsley's life style."

wat. Who the hell edited this article?

Of course, now I feel silly 'cause a long time ago, I left a request on pokanon for rough Scrafty/Bisharp yaoi saying "can be Grimsley's Pokemon" when erm, I was fighting the Elite 4 (before I got my ass kicked by Shauntal again) this morning and realized Grimsley's Bisharp was female. Whoooooops.

Comments

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

If Grimsley is a slut then he can solicit me any day
yeah baby

[insanepurin.livejournal.com]

Agreed so hard. SIGN ME UP BBY. X333333

[shinyseaking.livejournal.com]

[taekarado.livejournal.com]

what does the gender of her pokemon have to do with anything? all of biancas pokemon are female too. does that hint her lifestyle too? idiot editor.

[swordianmaster.livejournal.com]

It's just pokefen being 'tarded - Compare Weigraf in Final Fantasy Tactics. Not counting his CHOCOBO, every last human unit on his side BOTH TIMES YOU FIGHT HIM is female. This is notable because it's a largely male-biased game, enemy-wise.

On the other hand, it's not rare for ANY trainer to have a mostly unisexed team in Pokemon.

OH LOOK GRIMSLEY ONLY USES DARK TYPES. GUESS HE'S INTO S&M.

[insanepurin.livejournal.com]

It's not like Grimsley's the only one who has a team comprised of the opposite sex. Will and Bugsy have all girls on their line-ups too. :P (In HG/SS. anyway. Doesn't apply for G/S/C)

OH BABY. GRIMSLEY, I KNEW YOU HAD THAT SCARF FOR SOMETHING.

[swordianmaster.livejournal.com]

I think that's mostly what they were going for - weirdo elite 4 member, mostly opposite gender? It's totally a nod to Will.

Grimsley just has a Cyborg 009 scarf instead of a superhero mask.

[slaygirl.livejournal.com]

Well, I think what they're getting at is the fact that most of the trainers you battle in the game do have a team that is primarily one gender, or a combination of one gender and genderless Pokémon - what's unusual about Grimsley is the fact that his are all the opposite gender to himself. Most trainers' Pokémon (outside of the Battle Frontier, which seems to be a general exception to everything) are male if the trainer is male, female if the trainer is female; the only exceptions are if the gender ratio is already skewed. Cynthia has a male Togekiss and Lucario because of this, with both species having an 87.5:12.5 percentage ratio of male:female, while all of her other Pokémon (with at least a 50% chance of being male or female) are females to match her gender.

It's unusual for one Pokémon to be a different gender to the trainer if there's a 50/50 chance of it being female - mention of this is made about Saturn, for example, who has a female Toxicroak - and to go with your example, this is why Bianca's team all being female wouldn't indicate anything. Grimsley's Pokémon all have a 50/50 chance of being male or female, and yet all of them except the Sharpedo are female, defying the general status quo for the game. I think what they were trying to imply - despite it being unfounded, I'm not going to say it's not unfounded - is the same sort of speculation that's prevalent among the His Dark Materials series fen, where a human's daemon (the animal form their soul takes, in worlds where the soul is kept outside the body) is almost always the opposite gender to themselves; a daemon of the same gender is often speculated to imply homosexuality (which has since been jossed by the author, but it's a common initial thought) or the individual being transgender (which...at the very least has not been overturned by the author at this point).

What they're meaning to imply here is the fact that a male trainer having almost an entirely female team is so unusual that it's possibly meant to indicate something along those lines - that Grimsley is possibly homosexual or transgendered, or otherwise genderqueer. That's what the gender of the Pokémon has to do with anything. Again, I'm not saying it's founded speculation, but...yeah.

[swordianmaster.livejournal.com]

Actually, 'usually opposite gender' is totally canon in HDM, I believe, it's not a speculation.

There is only ONE PERSON in the ENTIRE SERIES who has a same-gendered daemon, and it's non-important extra. It simply does not happen.

[slaygirl.livejournal.com]

...wow okay you have just missed my point entirely haven't you

The speculation isn't the 'usually opposite gender' part, it's the reasons why, hth

[swordianmaster.livejournal.com]

Yeah I have. I blame the fact that I had just woken up, orz.

[insanepurin.livejournal.com]

I know that, but here's the thing. Grimsley's not the first trainer to have an opposite-gendered team with a 50/50 ratio Pokemon. Will and Bugsy have an all-female team in HG/SS, and Janine had all-male Pokemon in G/S/C. Their Bulbapedia pages mention the uniqueness of their rosters in the trivia sections, but none of them questioned their life-styles. :P So why would the particular editor be astounded by Grimsley? Because he's new? Though HG/SS didn't come out that long ago. :o

[slaygirl.livejournal.com]

Well, I can't speak for that particular editor because I don't know whether they have a lot of feelings about Johto or not, but my thought is this: it actually might be due to "because he's new."

A lot of people just got back into this series with Black/White; while not everyone feels like this, given how hard a good amount of the fandom rejoiced when HGSS came out, there were also a fair few of us who simply don't like Johto. I'm among the "...it's okay, but I don't care" front when it comes to Gen II myself. My copy was a gift, and I played mostly because it would be very rude not to; I played through the end of the Team Rocket plot because I liked Proton, and that was about the extent of my interest. As such, I didn't particularly pay much attention to the Gym Leaders/E4 (outside of Lance, who was fabulous as always) and so didn't really register the genders of the teams that said Gym Leaders/E4 were using.

I did, however, register Grimsley's team and their genders, and it struck me as odd. This was a new region with an entirely new set of Pokémon, and so I was paying more attention overall. I wouldn't have known about Bugsy or Will had you not said anything to me about it because, on a personal level, I quite frankly don't care about Johto, but I definitely noticed Grimsley's because I had reason to care about Unova.

Obviously this is very subjective, and again I can't speak for that particular editor, but it's entirely possible that it is because Grimsley is so new.

[insanepurin.livejournal.com]

Now that makes more sense. As a fan of Johto, I definitely did notice, though admittedly I didn't start caring about the Elite 4 until Sinnoh. (Though I'd be interested in seeing how the Hoenn elites are handled in the remake) I love Karen and consider her one of my earliest Pokemon heroes, of course, but it's like the rest of the Elite 4 doesn't exist for me. (I noticed Will 'cause I have him stand-in as a PB in my head for one of my novel characters while figuring out their final designs. Will himself, on the other hand... poor neglected bastard. XDDD;;;) While I don't think about Bugsy much (and I had to look up Janine), I did notice little things like that, so it was... not new? So I can see how people could shrug their shoulders over a remake (or a gen they don't care for much) while making the transition to a new game AND gen and think when seeing Grimsley, "Hey whoa, that's different! :o"

It's just that the way the editor worded it could've been better and a little more researched. But hey, it's Bulbapedia. Anyone can edit it and the Unova articles are nowhere as detailed yet as those of previous gens. Just a minor miff 'cause it seemed like the editor was saying, "lol Grimsley's gay" than noting something unusual about his line-up.

[slaygirl.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think that might be part of the issue at least. Because it's a remake we're discussing, the editor in question might not even have played the thing to begin with - either because they might not have liked Johto, or they heard the new features weren't worth it (they felt lazy to me personally, but YMMV, of course) or they just didn't feel like throwing forty dollars down on a remake. Or perhaps they played, but had no interest in Will or Bugsy or Janine as characters - honestly, you could tell me right now that Sidney from the Hoenn E4 battled with an all-female team and I'd probably just blink but be inclined to believe you, because I didn't pay him any particular mind. Or, again, because it's a remake, they might have just autopiloted their way through the battles and not noticed what Pokemon were even on the team out of "FUCK, IT'S A XATU, KILL IT WITH ROCKS."

And I'm...also honestly kind of wondering why the lifestyle thing was brought up in such a way to begin with because not only was the statement itself was very made of 'wat' and general fail, but it was completely irrelevant. At the same time, there's also the part where new installments to a series - actual new installments, as opposed to remakes that cater to the older fanbase (not that there's anything wrong with that!) - tend to bring in a large wave of...general stupidity. There's often a massive wave of people who feel the need to flaunt their general obnoxiousness in front of everyone, though it's often not intentional; after a while they either get bored and leave, or they calm down, sit down and learn to play along with the fandom on the fandom's terms. It's just how fandom works, so I'm actually not surprised at seeing general facepalm-inducing things on Bulbapedia from time to time as new canon comes out.

...this was all a very tl;dr 'iawtc' at the heart of it, but basically I can see where you're coming from on the annoyance front.